Comments on: Out of Context Observation: The Travel Ethic http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/ Bootstrapping the web since 1994 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:55:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: Actics Blog » Green, sustainable, zero impact - you’d better get yourselves a lifestyle http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-23149 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:11:05 +0000 http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-23149 [...] I’ve been referring to ‘hipster green’ for a while now, discussed when flying can no more be excused on friends blogs, argued that acting cosmopolitan will be the mark of a clueless proletariat, pondered the future of ‘globalization’ except as a soon bygone époque and if the tipping point of ‘greenness’ often referred to by Worldchangers was not merely wishful thinking. But the doubt diminishes every hour - it is happening right now. Much faster than anybody predicted. When Seth Godin declares ‘Zero [impact] is the new black, it is as good as a new natural law. It even got it’s own new explorative action hero: No impact man making the rest of us feel like Hummer loving, obese consumerists without a clue and consciousness (the name is badly chosen if he wishes to impact ethically). [...] […] I’ve been referring to ‘hipster green’ for a while now, discussed when flying can no more be excused on friends blogs, argued that acting cosmopolitan will be the mark of a clueless proletariat, pondered the future of ‘globalization’ except as a soon bygone époque and if the tipping point of ‘greenness’ often referred to by Worldchangers was not merely wishful thinking. But the doubt diminishes every hour - it is happening right now. Much faster than anybody predicted. When Seth Godin declares ‘Zero [impact] is the new black, it is as good as a new natural law. It even got it’s own new explorative action hero: No impact man making the rest of us feel like Hummer loving, obese consumerists without a clue and consciousness (the name is badly chosen if he wishes to impact ethically). […]

]]> by: Dannie Jost http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-22770 Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:20:51 +0000 http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-22770 I like the think along the ethic line. I think however that it is difficult to see what trend is going where in terms of evolving ethics. Imagine however that more thought was put into the reason for travel and why travel is necessary. Face to face, physical proximity seems to be an essential in negotiations and some forms of collaboration. Why is that? What element of relationship is being created with proximity, and how can this element be nourished without extensive non-sustainable travel? I like the think along the ethic line. I think however that it is difficult to see what trend is going where in terms of evolving ethics. Imagine however that more thought was put into the reason for travel and why travel is necessary. Face to face, physical proximity seems to be an essential in negotiations and some forms of collaboration. Why is that? What element of relationship is being created with proximity, and how can this element be nourished without extensive non-sustainable travel?

]]> by: Thomas Madsen-Mygdal http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-22768 Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:03:13 +0000 http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-22768 @mikkel. probably read some of thackara stuff some time ago which influenced me. that being said this is not near term - there are so many mega trends going in the other direction (i listed a couple of them) - but what's very near is awareness and extreme examples of actually changing habits. @mikkel. probably read some of thackara stuff some time ago which influenced me. that being said this is not near term - there are so many mega trends going in the other direction (i listed a couple of them) - but what’s very near is awareness and extreme examples of actually changing habits.

]]> by: Mikkel http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-22767 Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:02:23 +0000 http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-22767 The framing of a downing travel ethics is near perfect Thomas and I think the trend is much closer than you believe. Besides being far from land public transport efficiency, air travel is much more harmful due to the types of gasses airplanes release and beacuse they do so at higher, much more 'vulnarable' altitudes of the atmosphere. John Thacara realized recently (http://www.doorsofperception.com/archives/2006/10/post_8.php), that the anual Doors of Perception meeting in Delhi can no longer be defended precisely due to this. So actually, I think Reboot next time should include the theme of how the web can bring us closer without physical proximity (and realize the paper less sociaty - both as envisioned for the web). The framing of a downing travel ethics is near perfect Thomas and I think the trend is much closer than you believe. Besides being far from land public transport efficiency, air travel is much more harmful due to the types of gasses airplanes release and beacuse they do so at higher, much more ‘vulnarable’ altitudes of the atmosphere. John Thacara realized recently (http://www.doorsofperception.com/archives/2006/10/post_8.php), that the anual Doors of Perception meeting in Delhi can no longer be defended precisely due to this. So actually, I think Reboot next time should include the theme of how the web can bring us closer without physical proximity (and realize the paper less sociaty - both as envisioned for the web).

]]> by: Thomas Madsen-Mygdal http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-22756 Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:01:05 +0000 http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-22756 @claus. Hmm, not sure your framing is better (not saying mine was good). Air travel is nowhere near trains, http://www.sightline.org/maps/charts/pollu_co2transp_ooh - but you're right - close to single-person driving. That being said compared to a effective collaboration (wiki, im, etc.) with almost-zero emissions 2x3 hours of air travel has extreme implications. My core suggestions was the concept of a travel ethic. Everyone i know from teachers to ceo's love to talk about their latest travel to an interesting conference, etc. I think that's whats really changing with a new travel ethic. @claus. Hmm, not sure your framing is better (not saying mine was good). Air travel is nowhere near trains, http://www.sightline.org/maps/charts/pollu_co2transp_ooh - but you’re right - close to single-person driving. That being said compared to a effective collaboration (wiki, im, etc.) with almost-zero emissions 2×3 hours of air travel has extreme implications.

My core suggestions was the concept of a travel ethic. Everyone i know from teachers to ceo’s love to talk about their latest travel to an interesting conference, etc. I think that’s whats really changing with a new travel ethic.

]]> by: Peter Rukavina http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-22752 Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:22:12 +0000 http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-22752 Thought-provoking. I've <a href="http://ruk.ca/article/3972" rel="nofollow">posted my thoughts</a>. Thought-provoking. I’ve posted my thoughts.

]]> by: Claus http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-22751 Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:01:50 +0000 http://bootstrapping.net/2006/12/14/out-of-context-observation-the-travel-ethic/#comment-22751 As far as I know the framing you give to the environmental concerns is actually a bit off from the real problem. Measured in fuel per passenger mile airflight has been approaching the car over the last couple of decades (fuel per passenger mile for a full modern airplane is closer to fuel per passenger mile for a car with only one person in it that you'd think). It's not the choice of vehicle that's the problem - it's the number of miles, so the only real cure is to just do it less. The other thing is that of course meeting people is both enjoyable and terribly efficient as communication - much more so than <i>any</i> other means of communication, and since conversation only breeds more conversation, the only real answer is "We should all just move to the same city". Which of course is exactly what is happening, even without the travel ethic. As far as I know the framing you give to the environmental concerns is actually a bit off from the real problem. Measured in fuel per passenger mile airflight has been approaching the car over the last couple of decades (fuel per passenger mile for a full modern airplane is closer to fuel per passenger mile for a car with only one person in it that you’d think). It’s not the choice of vehicle that’s the problem - it’s the number of miles, so the only real cure is to just do it less.

The other thing is that of course meeting people is both enjoyable and terribly efficient as communication - much more so than any other means of communication, and since conversation only breeds more conversation, the only real answer is “We should all just move to the same city”.
Which of course is exactly what is happening, even without the travel ethic.

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